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Dear
visitors,
Brainbetting free period is over: becoming paid starting April 1st.
Starting April 1st, and after more than a year of absolutely free service, BrainBetting.com is becoming a paid site. The founders of BrainBetting have decided to implement a paid subscription
in order to take the site to the next level of professional betting. The first year has been turbulent, we've learned on our own skin that Rome indeed wasn't built in a day. Now we are ready to
show our skills by beating the bookies on a regular basis, showing constant improvement and progress. We will add some content to the site that will be free for all to see (details will be
revealed in the following few days) and will have occasional free picks, but the majority of our selections will from now on be available only to paying members.
Subscription fee is 60 € per month (via Moneybookers), with a couple of very important clauses:
*In case a losing month occurs, current subscribers are being PAID back (their money is returned to their Moneybookers accounts in full) AND get the next month for free.
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There will be no doctored records, what you see is what you get.
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A team of dedicated tipsters at your service, we cover a wide array of sports and have proven records, all long term winners
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Starting with the day the site goes paid (April 1st), we'll apply a new, more strict, pick posting deadlines. From now on, all soccer picks will be posted before 9 AM GMT (matchday), while
all US sports selections will be posted before 9 PM GMT (matchday). These new deadlines will make sure that you never miss a pick again while, of course, all of the selections will be sent to
our clients via email
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Our long term goal is 110% ROI, even though our first year has ended a bit lower than that, we have still made over 800 units of profit (average bet = 7 units, max bet = 10 units)
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And let us remind you once again of the main policy of our site - we are not pretending to be miracle workers, and we can't promise that there will be no losing runs. However, our winning
days far outnumber the losing ones, and following us with a 100 eur average stake would've brought you more than 10 000 eur of profit until now.
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There will be no fake promises («our last 58 plays are 56-2 and similar phony deals»), only a 100% honest approach goes as far as BB team is concerned.
For all who are interested in subscribing to our service or have any questions whatsoever, please contact us at:
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1. Written by Kiddie22, on 22-03-2008 16:51
So once again - how much do you want for that fade material that are you publishing?
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2. Written by Xponat, on 21-03-2008 16:17
@ abc - yes, that will be possible.
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3. Written by abc, on 21-03-2008 16:06
is it possible to set it so that I only receive updates when Satyr's selections come through? I want to subscribe, but I don't want my inbox crowded by messages I'm not interested in - that's a huge inconvenience and means taking time to sort through all the emails.
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4. Written by Xponat, on 21-03-2008 09:45
@ Zapata - some of the tipsters that are at our roster have results so good that asking 60 eur/month for their picks alone wouldn't be too much.
Thus, we feel that we're offering our future clients a bargain by offering them several tipsters at the cost of one, and it will therefore be impossible to buy individual packages - however, subscribers are, of course, free to follow whoever they wish.
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5. Written by zapata, on 20-03-2008 21:50
Is it possible to get picks just for 1 or 2 guys??? Because It's useless to get picks from some hopeless tipsters here...
Thx...
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6. Written by Teddie21, on 20-03-2008 20:41
It shall be announced soon.
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7. names
Written by borko, on 20-03-2008 20:37
When we will know names of paid tipsters?
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8. Written by
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Yep, I see your point. Thanks for the feedback.
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9. Written by abc, on 19-03-2008 18:13
@ Satyr: The comment about the future wasn't aimed as a pesonal comment on you, at all. Your work is excellent, your methods are sound and I wouldn't be here if I didn't believe you have something to offer in terms of profitability. I just think corrections, bad spells - call them what you want are ultimately inevitable in this industry - down to the elements, down to the sport itself getting more complicated at certain stages of the season or down to a loss of form on the part of the individual. So future claims can't really be substantiated.
Regardless, I'd just like to say one last time. Think about offering an individual package, think about attacking the right segment of this very large market and think about the fact that you do belong to a select group of high skill cappers, and that is a skill that can be sold a lot better than as part of some group package at a low price.
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10. Written by Satyr, on 19-03-2008 17:00
@abc
We are doing that exactly. We're educating people and tend to continue, that this is by no means an easy game.
As far as future projections are concerned, I don't think it's too bold at this point. I am not riding high because of the current streak, but because I have adjusted my capping methods and am focusing on lesser plays which DOES equate into a higher lead, even though unit wise it will be of lower return (naturally).
Hence my prognosis. I had a yield of 122% after 300 bets last year before my poor run had begun. It was no coincidence, as back then, I was battling some personal problems which are solved now...I'm by no means an apologist, I stand behind my stats, these and prior ones, same will remain in the future.
I definitely get your point regarding the market and target customers, but we have already offered this deal and cannot withdraw from it. Also, I've explained (briefly) why we have decided to do so, mostly due to the fact most of our readers would turn their heads in disbelief had we displayed a price tag of 150€.
I do believe in my abilities, my winnings by far outweigh the losing runs, and I still have a respectable long term ROI. So it's not about undervaluing oneself, it's about appealing to the wider public. 700 people? we'll see  .
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11. Written by abc, on 19-03-2008 16:47
@ satyr: The way I see it, a per selection price in the range of 1-2 Euros is very reasonable, if you are in any way serious about making returns. By pricing yourself below that, you\\\'re trying to appeal to a huge market. A huge market, believe me has its downside in this industry. You really should not be aiming for 700-800 users, 100 medium stakers (100-400E) would be a far more desirable goal. 700 users at a low price is suicide in this industry.
If your current pricing is based on performance to date you\\\'re carrying a very narrow view of where you want to do with this. Make a reasonable offer, you might not have everyone signing up day 1, but some will while others will trail you for a period of time before they do, while those who can\\\'t afford to take his seriously will fade into the distance.
I\\\'m not a big fan of cappers teaming up. I always feel a capper should have the ability to stand on his own two feet. Unfortunately, it looks like BB has given itself no room for maneouver on that front.
I personally feel my decision to subscribe is a lot simpler if I\\\'m subscribing to Satyr ONLY. No disrespect to the others, but for the sports they are involved in, I simply have a service I am far more convinced by, to trail. This package with hundreds of tips is a product that devlues itself - both from the perspective of serious bettors and from the perspective of a well run, well organized business.
Lastly, I\\\'d be a bit cauious on what I have to say about the future. Some of you are riding high at the moment, and the confidence is evident in what you have to say about future performance. But, as of now - it\\\'s in no way substantiated. Some of you may well go on to achieve extremely high returns, but I\\\'m afraid these public pronouncements display a bit of naivety. These are markets which are dynamic - for you to pronounce a 15% edge for any period of time is simply not something that can be substantiated. Past records are only indicative, the future is unknown. You\\\'d all be better off focussing on educating punters on the fact that this is no easy game.
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12. Written by Satyr, on 19-03-2008 13:59
Correction:
So we're not suitable (probably) for the ones betting for fun solely, but we're also not a service for the high roller elite ONLY either.
That was the point.
Cheers.
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13. Written by Satyr, on 19-03-2008 13:56
@abc
I guess I wanted to add this. Whereas I fully understand how market and the perception of it works, and quality has it's price tag same as the brand, etc...
I'd like to think we have really offered people a bargain for the 60 Euros, not devalued ourselves by lowering the price, if you see what I mean.
I mean we could have asked for 150 Eur, but even though I think we do possess the quality to deliver and fulfill such high expectations, I don't think we have given enough so far, to warrant such a price. That all can be connected to our private problems some of us have had in the first year, the fact it was our first year as a team, etc...but the reality is...we still have a lot to give. People like you, who recognize that, will benefit from it the most I think.
Cheers.
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14. Written by Satyr, on 19-03-2008 13:51
@Valter,
I can speak for myself but also for others when I say, thanks for the comment, thanks for trusting us. I just hope we'll keep making you profit in the future.
Cheers
@abc
That's a very good post there, from a marketing standpoint primarily. However, I feel I have to explain why we have done this. The thing is, you see, that we have up to 700 unique views (Teddie will fill you in with more accurate details though) regularly, people are keeping track of us. We didn't want to be too cheap, but on the other hand, we realize that we would close the door forever to a large majority of our readers with a huge price tag.
The opinions are different, as you see. I can agree with you that if someone tails a few good cappers, 60 € as a compensation isn't that much, but if one is betting 10-20 per game it's a fortune. So we're not suitable (probably) for the ones betting for fun solely, but we're also not a service for the high roller elite either.
We wanted to combine both, appeal to the average bettor to follow us on the long run and expect fruit.
I do agree with what you said about the 'realistic' price range, but as you can see here some people think differently, they believe it's far too much, and that we're overcharging, hence even stealing money from people.
I won't try to persuade you or anything, but I do hope you'll become our subscriber, as you have a high level of maturity and understanding things, starting from business relations to market flows.
Cheers.
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15. Written by abc, on 19-03-2008 13:31
@xponat: as a consumer i will make a decision based on whatever price. You're right there are those who charge considerable sums for very average services, but if you charge 60 Euros for 5 people, and I only want one, it does make me think I'm over paying. Frankly, long-term your current model puts you in a massive problem. Your current fee coverts to 12 Euros per tipter - to give yourself a decent income, you will be targeting a massive number of consumers. A massive number of consumers will mean odds won't be attainable no matter what you do. Even on the big leagues.
An approach where you price yourselves individually at say 40-50Euros, and offer a combined package at say 150 Euros is the more prudent long-term strategy. Having a large number of consumers will devalue your product, whether you like it or not. Keeping your prices low will attract people who need winners to keep going, like it or not. I genuinely feel this is a very naive business strategy, and being succesful means mixing the business side with the handicapping side.
@satyr: you simply stand out in my view, because your reactions are mature, you know your stuff and that shines through and you realize that the world is not static. As a capper, the psychological side is hugely important, and your level of maturity really makes me wonder why you don't sell yourself better. I can't help but feel BB is a mix of cappers at different levels in their ability, it isn't a coalition of the best, so I'd rather have the option to search and scan and mix BB with other successful services who can boast of very good long-term returns. I'm sure ultimately, you will find many more like me.
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16. Written by Valter, on 19-03-2008 13:24
I am really surprised with what some people say about BB and its tipsters and their plans for becoming a paid service.
I can’t believe anyone who is serious about internet betting can say: ”I don’t want Anastazija’s picks”. I follow picks from many free and paid sites, and I can tell that he is one of the few very best tipsters on the internet. One can simply not afford not to have him in the portfolio. It is like walk down the street, you see a 100 Euros note laying on the ground, and you don’t want to pick it up just because you have to bend. It is not always easy to place bets on all of his picks, yes, and one don’t always get the same price and/or the same handicap, that’s also true, but even with this kind of disadvantage, one can still make a very good profit out of his picks. And all that with relatively low risk (until now he had just one loosing month and no long loosing streaks).
Just about the same I can say about Xponat. He is a first class tipster and it is not so many of them. I have no problems with limits placing a 1000 Euros bet on Swiss or Austrian league. One can’t say that is exactly what is being considered as a low limit bet, so how can someone complain on that? It is a very good thing to have someone who covers such small leagues leagues also.
I really don’t understand how on earth 60 Euros can be too much for picks from so excellent tipsters like these two gays are (in addition to other BB tipsters)? Even if one, from any reason, chose not to follow all the picks. And compared with other paid services, the price is just right.
You started this site together, BB guys, and I don’t think you should know start to sell your picks separately. It would just make an extra administrative work, and it might destroy the team spirit.
Here are some of my thoughts about the paid service:
1. deadline for picks: 2 hours before a match would be enough (for US sports 22.00 CET)
2. number of bookies: it has to be more than 2-3, everything up to 8 or 10 bookies would be OK, as the picks are covering different sports and kind of bets
3. I really hope you’ll soon get the SMS service as well
GL, BB guys, and keep in mind that this is a new begining, and there is no easy begining.
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17. Written by Satyr, on 19-03-2008 10:26
Frank, I agree. I can't believe there are haters out there who actually spend their time to bash. Now I am a fan of constructive criticism, I can also muster a fair post, even if it goes 'against' something I do, but hating?
I don't understand it.
borko, we are being realistic here. You have paid services which will say "our system is 56-2 in last 58" and actually mean it. There is no such a system. We will be realistic and say this:
our EXPECTED yield from April 1st to let's say the end of 2008 is 115% at least. AT LEAST. And why? Because we've had some problems in the first year. Private problems, site problems, tipsters coming and going, etc...now we're finally focused. I won't tell you I have some revolutionary strategy here, but I'll tell you that I can boast a 115% + yield by eliminating what was wrong with my capping - TOO MANY PLAYS. I have eliminated that, and am now looking forward to proving my abilities.
I have started with that with the end of January. Simply discard the bets that I would have usually clasified as PLAYS, and focusing only on the TOP plays. Only on TOP value, top investment.
Even with that in mind, we still can't guarantee we won't end a month with a loss of let's say 30 units. We can't. But what we can say is that we will boast SOLID profit on the long run. I mean we have a respectable record despite all these problems that hit us in the first year. Now, 115% or more is our ambition, 110% is a must. Everything less is a failure.
@abc
Don't know what to tell you really. I'm honored that you follow me regularly, I'm glad that I can help, but we've decided for this. We will however discuss it soon and let you know what we can do.
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18. Written by Xponat, on 19-03-2008 09:38
@ abc - I cannot see what prevents you from subscribing to our service as a whole and following Satyr only.
I know that some will now start complaining about the price, but please, what would be a realistic monthly price for a tipster of Satyr's quality? There are football services that produce less profit than him that cost more than 60 eur per month, so 60 eur definitely isn't a price too high even for him alone.
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19. Written by abc, on 19-03-2008 08:49
personally, i follow a football tipster who is at over 113% after well over 500 picks, so I certainly don't need more football. I do think American sport adds to my portfolio, but I simply don't need the rest.
Good business BB lies in telling the customer "we understand your need, here's a solution". Bad business lies in saying "this is our offer, take it or leave it".
Selling yourself as a group of 5 both takes away my confidence in your individual ability, and makes your product less appealing because like I said, I want to pick the best tipsters in different sports, not tail a few who I don't believe in because of one that I do believe in.
Lastly, your current package allows individual tipstrs to ride on a bad spell, assuming others will have a good spell. Good spells and bad spells are inevitable, but I would like the person that I take advice from to be responsible for himself, not seek protection from others records.
Lastly, it's sad to see a close minded appraoch from BB before you've even got started in terms of business.
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20. Written by Dizzy, on 18-03-2008 23:51
Thats a good point abc, I also follow Satyr's picks.
I dont like tennis betting because as most people here have pointed out, the odds fall way too quickly as soon as a few people start betting on one side.
I also never bet outside of the top divisions in soccer leagues for the same reason. Even when I do bet on soccer, the only country leagues that I bet on is England, Spain, Italy.
I also never bother with horse racing because the UK bookmakers are cowards and limit all of my accounts as soon as I started winning.
So the only tipster on this website that intrests me is Satyr. This is not ment to be of any disrespect to any of the other tipsters on this site. But the U.S sports are the only ones that I find worth paying for and the only ones that I can realisticly follow in the long run.
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21. Written by Xponat, on 18-03-2008 23:32
@abc - thanks for your feedback, however, I feel that statements such as
"BUT, you must let me chose who i want to follow."
are way off the mark.
We have our reasons why we are offering only a joint tipster package, and claiming that we are obligated to allow people to subscribe only one tipster only - but what comes after that; someone wants to subscribe to Satyr's NBA picks only, so he needs to offer a separate package for every US sport?
We are free to offer any package we find suitable, and you are free to decide if our prices and offer can meet your requirements.
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22. Written by
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There's nothing wrong with charging money - the world doesn't run on charity, it runs on incentive. However, there is something extremely wrong with forcing people to buy a collective package. Surely, each of you are confident enough in your own ability to offer individual packages and to display individual records.
Free months, money back - that's all missing the point really. I personally only want to follow Satyr - I don't want my inbox crowded with the others advice - so why should i pay the others? Offer a discounted, collective package if you want - sure. BUT, you must let me chose who i want to follow.
Further, this talk about 110% long-term for sure and the rest is avoidable talk, really. The tide can turn at any time - it's simply the reality of betting, theoretically, mathematically and practically. Also, you should make an explicit rule about no more Bundesliga 2, Austrian, Moldovan, planet cookoo land leagues either.
Peace.
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23. q2
Written by borko, on 18-03-2008 21:12
thanx for answers xponat, satyr.
Quote:
About the 105% ROI clause, we have discussed that, and decided to go with the other option (money back in case of a losing month, PLUS a next month free)
That's mean, team BB is not sure if they get ROI over 105%? What about 103%?
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You can be confident that when we finish above 100%, you will too.
Sorry, I can't be.
I'm sure that we always finish with lower profit than you.
Reasons:
- It's simply impossible, we (tailer) can't catch the same odds on all picks. Someone has whole day work, someone lesson, someone may be in cinema and so on...
- and MINUS monthly fee.If you have 100% ROI, tailer will lost -60 euros at least. 60 euro is trivial(irrelevant) amount for someone, but not for someone else.
One more question:
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Starting April 1st, and after more than a year of absolutely free service, BrainBetting.com is becoming a paid site.
Starting April 1st ... is it april joke?
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24. Written by Frank, on 18-03-2008 21:10
I really don't understand the reason for this controversy. If someone doesn't like the site and the betting tips why does he keeps reading and complaining about how bad the tipsters are??? If the tipsters are so bad why do you want them to give picks for free? You wouldn't tail them anyway if you think they are losers...It seems that your only aim is to annoy the BB team and their followers.
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25. Written by Teddie21, on 18-03-2008 20:00
Dear man71,
I suggest you use a suitable language, otherwise you'll get banned next time.
Kind regards,
Ted
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26. Written by Teddie21, on 18-03-2008 19:39
Dear Fyhita,
You can only subscribe to one package, no individuals.
As to your second issue, we haven't decided yet when the picks will be released, but we'll try to find a solution that should suit everbody.
Kind regards,
Ted
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27. Written by
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, on 18-03-2008 19:33
Hi BrainBetting,
I've been following your site for some time now, but actually the only tipster I have made money following is Satyr. Is there any possibility to sign up for fewer/single tipsters?
Another issue. If you release the soccer-tips 9 hours before the games start, then most people are at work and I at least don't have a chance to place my bets before working-time is over and I think that will make my bets at different odds both in soccer and in tennis, so I will never get the same profit as you. What about making the bets 24 hours before? I know it can be a little difficult in tennis, but as soon as possible.
Kind regards
Fyhita
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28. Written by Teddie21, on 18-03-2008 19:28
Difen,
My last 2 months show the following:
March 43 344 326.96 19-3-21 44%-7%-49% -17.04 95%
February 44 346 407.92 23-5-16 52%-11%-37% +61.92 118%
Where the problem is?
Kind regards,
Ted
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29. paid site
Written by difen, on 18-03-2008 19:12
teddie i think seriously, if this is paid site, i will not even give it a thought. look at ur past two months
prediciton , it is disgraceful for a professional punter.
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30. Written by Teddie21, on 18-03-2008 18:25
To Jan and Massi,
Unfortunately we can't make any exception, it wouldn't be fair for other costumers. Instead, we've got a solution for you and for other people in the same posture, but we'll talk about within a few weeks.
Kind regards,
Ted
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31. Prize
Written by
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, on 18-03-2008 16:20
Nabend,
We followed your page four months. We like the page very much.
We have some questions according your offer:
1. We are students and we do not have so much money thus we also do not have a big bankroll. So it will be difficult to pay 60 € and make profit. So our question is: Is there any possibilty for students to get a lower prize ( we think there are a lot of students who do not have the bankroll to pay 60 €per month but if there is a student scale, you will have more customers).
2. What do you think how big your seed money must be to make profit.
Sorry for our english
Greetings
Jan and Massi
PS. Thanks for your answer 
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32. Written by Frank, on 18-03-2008 13:18
I can see why this service is going paid, but im not entirely sure that ALL the tipsters within this site even deserve to go paid! Can you not reduce the price and remove some of the tipsters?
As per tipsters comments, some of the tipsters on here have had CLAYPOT period for alot of times now, to many bad runs!
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33. Written by Satyr, on 18-03-2008 11:48
Thanks Dizzy, cheers.
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34. Written by Dizzy, on 18-03-2008 11:38
I think that this is a great idea. You guys have been producing great work for such a long time, now its only right that you get some reward for that work. Up until now I have only ever tailed Satyr's picks. The reason for this is because I would need too many bookmakers accounts to follow everyone else at Brainbettings picks. I am glad too see that this will now change and you will be using less bookmakers. I only hope that you will choose the books where you play carfully Books like Pinnacle, Greek and Bookmaker.com are great for allowing lots of followers get bets on without dropping the odds too much and dont close wining acounts. But books like Ladbrokes, Bet365 and Paddypower will limit winning accounts really quickly. It woul alo be a nice feature if there was members forum where members and cappers could exchange views and opinions on thge picks and service.
Anyway Good Luck You Guys 
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35. Written by Xponat, on 18-03-2008 10:42
Written by Tipster, on 18-03-2008 11:31
"Haha, pay tips now eh. Your site not provide good tips. Look last result at EPL and LALIGA. ALL CLAYPOT PICKS...How you earn money if provide loser tips ??? => mate, please, we've told it a thousand times, and let us say once again - we are not hiding behind anything, and we've openly admitted that we, just like anyone else, will have losing runs.
Good and ban runs are a normal thing in betting, and anyone claiming to have our number of picks and not to have any losing runs is a cheat, as his claims are defying the laws of mathematics.
We've had a poor weekend when it comes to soccer betting, but we've also had some extremely good ones before, but that is also irrelevant, the only thing that really matters in the long run, and our stats clearly indicate that we are profitable on the long haul.
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36. Written by Xponat, on 18-03-2008 10:39
1) Wiil you accept paypay? If not, why? => initially not, but we will most likely make it a valid payment method a few weeks after starting.
2) What do you think is the minimal bank one should have to make profit with your service (after paying the fee)? => our average profit is just below 60 units per month, with an average staked bet being lower than 7 units. This means that, in theory, you should make a profit the size of more than 8 of your average bets per month. Of course, all cannot pick up the best odds, but even if you made a profit of just 5 "average bets" per month, your average bet would need to be as small as 10 eur to cover our fee.
By the way, note that now, when the site is becoming closed, the odds on Anastazija's bets won't drop as quickly as they used to, as a severely reduced number of punters will be able to follow him. As it comes to the following of the rest of our staff, as I said, the dropping odds were never really an issue.
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37. Written by Tipster, on 18-03-2008 10:31
"Haha, pay tips now eh. Your site not provide good tips. Look last result at EPL and LALIGA. ALL CLAYPOT PICKS...How you earn money if provide loser tips ???
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38. paypal
Written by F, on 18-03-2008 10:24
Hi!
I just discovered BB a week ago, so I'm not sure If I'll pay for the service yet.
I have 2 questions, though
1) Wiil you accept paypay? If not, why?
2) What do you think is the minimal bank one should have to make profit with your service (after paying the fee)?
Thanks
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39. Written by Satyr, on 18-03-2008 10:10
Dear borko, a lot of questions but all fair ones, we have no problems answering.
Reasons for us becoming a paid service - we feel we have what it takes. We have all given a lot to the open community in the past years, posted at numerous sites, open forums, etc...
Positive feedback received over the years by far outweigh the negative one, and we think this brings Brainbetting to a new level.
It's one thing to start a paid site, and it's another thing to maintain it, to have satisfied customers.
About profit, once again. We will have deadlines, so no picks after that, we'll also have free SMS notifications.
The odds will not slash that drastically. After all, there are several paid services out there which mainly focus on smaller leagues only, where limits are really, really small, and they still do ok. We cover the biggest leagues mainly, and use reputable bookies with high limits. Your ROI will not be substantially lower than ours, if you follow our plays.
I can understand that you're worried about the odds, but as I said, since you will be notified PROMPTLY, and our plays won't be posted anywhere else, it is hard to believe the odds will drop within minutes.
But regardless of our plays, the market is "alive", odds fluctuate constantly, that's why we've decided it is essential that we introduced an SMS service, which will be free.
About the 105% ROI clause, we have discussed that, and decided to go with the other option (money back in case of a losing month, PLUS a next month free), You can be confident that when we finish above 100%, you will too.
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40. Written by Xponat, on 18-03-2008 10:09
1. What bookies do(will) you prefer? => we haven't decided on the final list, but we will be using not more than four bookies, and around 80% of our bets will be taken at Pinnacle.
2. What is the shortest period, which may be payed fee for? Week? 14 days? Month? => one month.
3. What is guaranteed minimal count of picks per payed period?(ie. at least 10 picks weekly, at least 50 picks monthly) => The guaranteed minimum is 50 picks per month - but outside of the summer period, we expect to well top that number.
4. Will be sms notification? If so, will it for extra fee or it's included in period fee? => not at the very beginning, but we are going to offer it a couple of weeks after going paid. It will most likely be included in the fee.
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41. questions
Written by borko, on 18-03-2008 09:40
Hi BB team,
First of all, sorry my poor english.
I have been tail your pick from september 2007.
There were good periods (satyr-september 2007-excellent, teddie-some month),
and there were bad periods (satyr-november, september 2007, some month barty, teddie football, and recent cheltenham horse racing -34 units during one day )
Can I ask, the reason why do you became payed site?
(Of course, it's your site, You have right to decision to be payed or not)
- You just want some money for your job (yes, I know, picks cost your time, work, maybe money)
- It's extra incoming?
- ... or something else?
I had payed only one another pick service before it, and I had bad experience with him-two lost periods in row.
The first period was payed and lost, second period was "free", because first was lost.
But second was lost too, guess if I played their picks of next, third period.
So I'm cautious.
I'm interesting in subscribing to your service.
Before it, some question.
1. What bookies do(will) you prefer?
2. What is the shortest period, which may be payed fee for? Week? 14 days? Month?
3. What is guaranteed minimal count of picks per payed period?(ie. at least 10 picks weekly, at least 50 picks monthly)
4. Will be sms notification? If so, will it for extra fee or it's included in period fee?
satyr wrote:
>>...in case of under 105% we give money back...
>>...I think that's a fair deal, don't you...
I agree with jason.
I think also, we-followers in most cases catch worse odds then tipsters pick.
So, our really profit will lower than BB.
Therefore, I think this(105%) is fair deal.
Thanx for answer.
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42. Written by Satyr, on 18-03-2008 08:46
doggy,
we will indeed put our stats on display for everyone, we will also keep sending our plays to several proofing services in order to maintain 100% clean image and credibility, which is very important to us.
So even if you are not a subscriber you will be able to see our stats.
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43. Written by
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, on 18-03-2008 08:13
Hi,
Do you have in mind to show the run of the month after the site will become paid? I mean if I didn't subscribe at your services, but if I can see your picks (after the games) and if they are good maybe I'll change my mind . I discovered your site only for a few weeks so I'm not decided what to do, but if you'll give us the opportunity to see your picks after the game is over, (we can't use them anymore), then you can gain a lot of confidence.
Just a thought!
Best regards.
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44. Re:Xponat
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, on 18-03-2008 01:11
Xponat, in fact it's not obscure bookies where the lines change most quickly. It's easier to bet much and cause decrease in odds in Pinnacle. For this reason it might be impossible or at least extremely difficult to follow Anastazija's picks.
Anyway, I am already a subscriber of BE where I strictly follow but one tipster (and occassionally with lower stakes Karakan as well) and I consider doing the same here with Satyr (possibly with Xponat as add-on ).
Good Luck
Maciek
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45. Written by Xponat, on 18-03-2008 00:38
First of all,
I am happy we got so much feedback - whether it's positive or negative is less important, the important thing is that the readers are freely expressing their opinions.
Anyway, most of the worries most of you seem to have that are connected to other paid services don't really apply to our site, and we will explain why in an article that will be posted in the next few days.
I feel that too much fuss has being made over Anastazija being "impossible to follow", while it is true that not always the best odds are available for tennis, we can promise that the number of bookies that will be used in the future will be seriously reduced and that none of the tipsters, including Anastazija, will be taking picks for obscure bookies where odds are easy to slash.
The remainder of our picks(apart from, sometimes, horse racing) is definitely not difficult to follow, as our other tipsters aren't covering Japanese basketball, German regional or San Marino first league - they are covering big European leagues and US sports, where odds are nearly impossible to slash.
Also, I see that there has been a lot of talk regarding our yield - when I read this things, I tend to feel sorry for deciding to go for a balance between profit and yield rather than yield only when we founded the site, but further thinking makes me thing that we've made the right choice after all.
The idea of BB is to find a balance between yield and profit - while +7% surely isn't a perfect yield, you have to keep in mind that the odds for most of our picks(soccer, US sports) DO NOT slash and, having in mind that we've made more than 800 units of profit, I feel that what we're offering to our future clients is rather solid.
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46. Written by Satyr, on 17-03-2008 21:26
as far as the "will" statements, actually, I have started using a different approach with the beginning of February. So almost 2 months now with a new approach as far as the number of plays is concerned. I still use the same tools, capping methods, numerous parameters, etc...
I've just decided to drastically slash the number of my plays, "get back to basics" sort to speak, and reinvent myself a bit as a tipster. So far it has worked. I don't see a reason for it not to continue. I will definitely have bad streaks in the future, but those will be overshadowed by the green, as I won't lose as much as I used to during bad weeks. Not even CLOSE to before. But as I said, feel free to observe for a while and see for yourself whether you think we are worth it or not.
Never let anyone affect YOUR judgment better than your own hunch and feeling, regardless of what people say. It is YOUR money and YOUR choice. All we can say is: we'll do our best.
Cheers.
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47. Written by Satyr, on 17-03-2008 21:21
Dear [B]Borislav[B],
I have read your message and can only say, thanks for the feedback, thanks for being a devoted reader and follower. I regret that you have tailed us during our bad days and sat back during our good ones, that's really bad luck, what else?
Anyways, we respect your decision to sit back and wait before subscribing, and hope to bring you profit in the future, instead of a loss.
Regards,
Satyr.
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48. Written by ctr999, on 17-03-2008 21:15
GL - hope you get interested people,
Rgds
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49. Written by
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, on 17-03-2008 21:14
Dear BB team,
I'm watching Your site from the very beggining. I like it and honestly You are doing a great job.
Decided to follow Your tips near the end of May last year. The next month was horrable (120+ units lost) and lost lot of money. Since then I just sit back and watched.
After first 2 succesfull months this year, I started following Your tips again before 1 week. Again a losing streak (is this my luck?).
Despite that I have a very good opinion of Your site and always support You.
Your best tipster is Anastazija, but I never follow his tips. Why? Because he offers a lot of tips on lot of different bet sites(Nordicbet, Unibet and lot more just can't write them all). I'm sure lot of Your visitors have only 1 or 2 accounts from all of these sites and just can't follow him.
From this I have a suggestion: You should use only 2 or 3 betting sites.
Also something else is bothering me: these are the "WILL" sentences. You said that the odds will be ... more "real" (I mean that it is very difficult to have odds like Yours), have a more "strict" tips and so on. It will be a good to see this first. Like ctr999 said with proper odds the things will be very different from what we see now.
At the end, want to say that I would be one of Your members, but first let me see how You will end this month.
Wish You GL
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50. Written by Teddie21, on 17-03-2008 21:09
A quick note:
Do not forget people improve. I dare to say I'm much better I used to be a year, or half year ago. And the prove stands in my stats in 2008, as you can see I've been much better, and that's only due to some "adjustments" I've made let's say. Can only get better in the future, no reason to step back.
Ted
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51. Written by Teddie21, on 17-03-2008 21:03
Dear ctr999,
The difference in record between the stats displayed here on BB and those from AH (which btw is a reliable betting community run by great Roger), is because on AH I only post AH bets, no under/over bets. As here on BB I post under/over bets too, also had a couple of "not to score bets", then also had a couple of losing tennis picks, and here we are with the real reason why stats look a bit different. Also note that I've started with BB in the worst period of my life, as it's more than clear (based on AH) that I can easily stay above 110% on the long run, and I'm going to prove that here as well.
I would honestly like to meet you in one year let's say, and then compare my words from this comment with what I'll manage to on the main site.
I do respect your opinion, and you have all the reasons in the world to doubt my quality, but that can only motivate me even more to prove my worth, and make you money on the other hand.
Kind regards,
Ted
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52. Written by ctr999, on 17-03-2008 20:47
Thanks for your replys and appreciate your honesty.
Firstly, Teddie, the record at that site to me shows me nothing. The records are clearly inaccurate. For starters, your showing as having a profit for this month on that site, yet your in a negative here?!? What i would be more concerned about is for your yield for brain, it's not exactly impressive so of course the majority of us have a right to question your abilitys....aswell as others on this site with such a few picks...
would also be good to see what Anastazja ROI is with the proper odds that you can actually gain from his picks, will be much less than 122% that im DAMN sure on,
Good lukc with your future quests
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53. Written by Satyr, on 17-03-2008 19:58
Btw, for what is worth, I believe Anastazija and Xponat are the best tipsters on this site. Teddie has had some horrid months last year (and so have I) but that is all behind us now. If you wonder "but how can we know they won't have horrid months again?": the question is fair, but the answer is: we have adjusted our capping style. For example, I have limited the number of my plays, and that will be a standard I will follow from now on.
No more 5 bets per night or 25 bets per week from me. EVER. The results are obviously way better now, it will keep going that way. Teddie is a reborn tipster as far as the last few months are concerned, he went on a sick run and is stabilizing his ROI. I do not expect him to be below 110% ROI this time next year.
Rdeacon's sport I have no clue about but the guy obviously knows his stuff.
Cheers.
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54. Written by Satyr, on 17-03-2008 19:53
ctr999,
Thanks for your feedback. We believe we are worth tailing, and will make profit to our customers, but of course it's a fair thing to share your view on things.
Take care.
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55. Written by Teddie21, on 17-03-2008 19:57
Dear tr999 and other fellows who doubt our quality,
I suggest you once again go
here and then draw conclusions.
As for Xponat, this guy has been active on BA for many years, and he's been above 110% on EPL, not to mention his Swiss, Austrian, and recently ECC and Bundesliga 2 picks which represent him, and could mean good money for you all on the long run. You probably think "ah this guy is talking bull shit, he wants to take our money". No my dear, I'm not the type who treats things formally, I always act only when I know and feel I can do what I promiss, and if you think 110% is not god enough for you, no problem at all, let the others enjoy the honey.
Kind regards,
Ted
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56. Written by ctr999, on 17-03-2008 19:41
I kind of agree with Jason.
Indeed, Anastazjia is clearly the best tipster here, yet clearly no value in tailing him seeming as odds he post's go from 2.00 -> 1.70 within minutes meaning his actuall profits will be somewhat lower...in fact 30% lower, very difficult to make a profit there.
Satyr - of course he's very good tipster and can see that from 350u profits...and good thing with us sports is mostly you can get the decent odds as there is liquidity there.....
But being quite frank these two are only proven tipsters here for me. Rdeacon is obviously showing very good ROI, but thats as he will have 1 pick in every 50 which makes 70-80 units profit but will lose LOADS in between. Xponat, has started very well, but to me, he's not proven after only 100 odd picks, anyone can have 112% roi after so few picks....
Teddie21 has only got 105% ROI and is in a downtrend of late, i can get picks for free on sites rather than pay for those picks...and covers WAY to many leagues...
I haven't seen any picks from Barty or Isiah of late but their ROI is also down...
Just letting you know the feelings, it's good site and all, but having said that, im not sure it's good enough to pay for, especially when it's not even 110% roi...
GL for future plans...
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57. Written by Teddie21, on 17-03-2008 18:45
Yes you were right here, it was a quick reply and I got the things wrong a bit. Also note there are cases you can actually get better odds, and it happens more than seldom I say, example are my football tips whose odds always tend to raise after being posted.
Kind regards,
Ted
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58. Written by JaSoNLiVeS, on 17-03-2008 18:37
Ok guys I get your points, I am sure you will set up a nice service!
Teddie if I get 1.95 and you get 2.00 ROI goes from 107% to 104,325% it's mathematical..
The third month free is a good thing..
Goodluck again!
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59. Written by Satyr, on 17-03-2008 17:56
JaSoNLiVeS,
yes, in that case you will get a third month free as well. The main point of all this is: you don't pay if we don't deliver. We want satisfied customers only. The thing is, we've been in the business for a long time, some of us have had numerous paid service offers, some even had oddscompiling offers. But we decided to put forth a strong team which should result, on the long term, with satisfied customers.
I know exactly what you're saying. But that's why Teddie explained we will use odds available at various bookies with respectable limits, definitely not peanuts.
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60. Written by Teddie21, on 17-03-2008 17:52
To JaSoNLiVeS,
If we get 2.00, and you get 1.95, the difference in yield can't be so big, as from 104% to 107% there's a longer way I say, even though that won't be the case, we'll make sure you get the same odds as us.
As to your question, the third month will be free yet again, no profit no money thus.
Kind regards,
Ted
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61. Written by Satyr, on 17-03-2008 17:48
cegevara,
thanks for the comment. I would just add that all guys here have made long term profit and for example, Xponat - has an even higher ROI than myself, and in Anastazija's range. So in all reality there is a lot of talent here. Ultimately, it is your decision and your decision alone what you will do from this point on. It is on us to accept and respect it. Cheers.
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62. Written by JaSoNLiVeS, on 17-03-2008 17:46
Thanks for your answers, I did say that because I have tried a paid service time ago and I had that problem about odds, they had 2 winning months while I had 2 losing ones..I mean maybe email notification or sms notification for me was more a problem than an advantage because odds on that book (and obviously they posted the book with higher odds) did fall in a few minutes after emails were sent..
I think that people need to have many books to get a similar ROI than yours, If I get let's say 1.95 and you 2.00 so 5 cents worse a 107% ROI becomes a 104% that it's still great but maybe people should consider this and see if they have a bankroll that let them set an adeguate unit..
About what teddie said I have a question : you have a losing month --> I get refund and next month for free --> if the second month is a losing one too do I get the third for free or do I have to pay for it?
Anyway GoodLuck with this, hope you will start hot!
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63. Written by Teddie21, on 17-03-2008 17:44
To cegevara:
The paid section will be composed of FIVE tipsters only, and we'll let you know their names soon.
Kind regards,
Ted
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64. Written by cegevara, on 17-03-2008 17:39
With all respect to Satyr and Anastazija i have some doubts of contribution to other guys here. Some of them think that they know all leagues(and lost all bets at current league), some took bets for fun and they seriously ruin good results overall. I think not too much guys here deserve to be in your paid service because their bad results will be also your resposibility!
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65. Written by
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, on 17-03-2008 17:29
i am thinking to pay them for theirs picks and i think that 60 euros for their service is not a big price and not a small price,this price is just ok.Maybe is true that i wont get the odds that can get someone from the bb team because i have accounts with 3 online bookies when for example teddie 21 picks the best odds at any bookie on the market.but they have a 110% ROI(maybe bit lover i really dont know).you maybe think that a ROI of 110% or bit lower isnt that good but i will tell you one thing it isnt the same profit when you have a 110% ROI on 150 picks monthly(like b team) or a 110% ROI on 30 picks monthly.
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66. Written by Gondi, on 17-03-2008 17:29
ok...GL ....
thanks for your picks... you are simply the best!
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67. Written by Satyr, on 17-03-2008 17:18
No, your comment won't be deleted.
Thank you for your contribution, but I have to say we will have deadlines for posting picks, ONLY CURRENT odds and lines will be posted (not "an hour ago" or even "10 minutes ago", but the lines AT PRESENT), also, we are even planning to introduce an SMS notification service which would enable all of our subscribers to get the picks at the time of posting.
Also, we will not force anyone to subscribe, nor will we con anyone out of their money.
Furthermore, Jason, we have considered that exactly (in case of under 105% we give money back) but decided to offer an even better option. In case of a losing month (and we're talking current lines, not some outdated ones) we will BOTH give the money back AND provide the NEXT month for free for all current subscribers. So if we have a losing month, you are not only getting that month for free, but the next one as well. I think that's a fair deal, don't you?
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68. Written by Teddie21, on 17-03-2008 17:18
Hi JaSoNLiVeS,
Indeed, your comment won't be deleted, we have a 100 % honest approach and nothing to hide thus.
Just a note, our overall record is 107%, NOT 105 as claimed, also because of the several bad experiences we had with a couple of tipsters during the last year.
As for the odds, you can be sure you'll get the same price should you subscribe, we'll make sure the certain event is offered by more than one bookie, and that the limits are high enough.
What you seen here during the last year, you won't see in our paid section, many things will change, and our costumers can only benefit from it. Hopefully we can count you as one of those.
Kind regards,
Ted
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69. Written by JaSoNLiVeS, on 17-03-2008 17:09
Well I just want to give an advice to people thinking about paying for these picks : be careful because 99% of times you will always get worse odds than the cappers here..except maybe US sports and biggest soccer leagues
For example you will always get lower odds than anastazija (maybe except for straight wins, but for his handicap plays forget about his odds), often much lower and so your profits will be smaller if none
I think if they have an ROI of 105% you may have a break-even month, so if they go 103% for that month probably you will have a losing month while they have a winning month and so there will be no refunding.
I think a fair thing would be refunding if monthly ROI is smaller than 105%..
If you have an ROI of 103% for example and let's say that a medium play that you have at 2.00 I can get it at 1.94 I will be down for the month while you have a winning month..
Hope my comment won't be deleted..
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